tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post7759790843275569988..comments2023-10-31T02:08:51.147-07:00Comments on Jesus Was a Tit Man: So this one time I debated Ray Comfort...Samhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14920316767974133278noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-62582117362373271862009-12-19T12:26:03.586-08:002009-12-19T12:26:03.586-08:00As you say I realize that this gentleman was not t...As you say I realize that this gentleman was not to rise to the occasion and end the debate turning into a sort of joke against it. That fiascoAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04517561752065575460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-82451284412298232212009-10-16T07:04:16.306-07:002009-10-16T07:04:16.306-07:00Just listened to the debate and Comfort was no sur...Just listened to the debate and Comfort was no surprise. I think you dealt with everything very well and much congrats to you on it.<br /><br />The one question I think could have been even better answered however was the one at the end about the "historical accuracy of the bible" as a means of showing the bible is true. <br /><br />You answered this week, I give you that, but there is also another answer I give when I am asked this. Most, more often than not in fact, fiction IS set in real world areas, with real world people and events as part of the narrative!<br /><br />Jason Bourne in the Bourne identity does not exist merely because all the places he visits are historically accurate and real, the events in the background of the narrative are real world events we know happened, and the political figures mentioned are often real or based on real people.<br /><br />So why anyone thinks the bible is real merely because it, like most works of fiction, have a basis in reality I do not know. This argument to support the reality of Jesus and the Bible seem to be equally valid when applied to Jason Bourne and the Bourne Identity.<br /><br />An argument that can be applied to everything should be applied to nothing.irishmauddibhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13483367692497312315noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-12013922031968239622009-09-27T07:37:49.947-07:002009-09-27T07:37:49.947-07:00Just listened to the "debate", and you&#...Just listened to the "debate", and you're right about it being a farce.<br />Not a thing Ray said had any fact behind it, he just made statements then moved on as fast as he could, hoping no one would notice the holes.<br />You made a lot of great points, & I thought came well prepared, & had nice researched counters (to the few Christians in the audience as well as Ray).<br />Haven't seen you since High school, so it was a nice surprise to see this on line, & to see you kick Comfort's arse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-84018217080147134632009-05-04T19:57:00.000-07:002009-05-04T19:57:00.000-07:00You are my new hero.
Too bad Ray doesn't underst...You are my new hero. <br />Too bad Ray doesn't understand that using the bible to convert atheists is laughable and cringeworthy.<br />All I can say for Ray is that he's got his script down pat.sonofabobo2https://www.blogger.com/profile/09204266377466430032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-86696409194803103142009-04-20T04:08:00.000-07:002009-04-20T04:08:00.000-07:00HigH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wow, dude...i just listened to t...HigH!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />wow, dude...i just listened to that entire debate, and i gotta say, well done! it was extremely difficult to sit through ray's part, though...ugh...<br />anyway, i would say you're right up there with dawkins, hitchens and harris, at least in entertainment value! ;) of course, each debater brings his own personal strengths to the table, such as dawkins' and harris' scientific knowledge, or hitchens' sociopolitical knowledge; but i was very impressed by your preparedness! you seemed to be able to destroy every sneaky, sophistic question addressed to you! and i agree, it seemed like comfort didn't directly address a SINGLE one of your points, but just had you there to give the semblance of a debate while he gave a sermon...i guess he thought he was at a pulpit, not a podium(if there even was a podium). anyway, i don't wanna be too long-winded here, so once again, well done! cheers!<br />peace,<br />-b<br /><br />brian tarrbrianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03812135638432097225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-10880832807065775172009-04-13T11:37:00.000-07:002009-04-13T11:37:00.000-07:00This looks good. I'll listen later when I have tim...This looks good. I'll listen later when I have time. Ask for 500 bucks next time. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-47119583736241882122009-04-09T21:35:00.000-07:002009-04-09T21:35:00.000-07:00My favorite bit from Ray:In part one where he says...My favorite bit from Ray:<BR/><BR/>In part one where he says "You and I have no idea what God is like," after which he proceeds to describe the attributes of God. <BR/><BR/>Second place is when he says you could very well die in your sleep tonight from, say, aneurysm or car accident. <BR/><BR/>I think you made a fine showing, especially in anticipating the claims he was going to make and addressing them before he could. You've obviously done your research on Ray's MO and common arguments, and you hit on pretty much all of them. <BR/><BR/>I agree with others, you did a much better job than the Rational Responders did.Dorkmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13927199693571387920noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-14471268756953841002009-04-09T20:59:00.000-07:002009-04-09T20:59:00.000-07:00I love it when Ray uses the standard analogy about...I love it when Ray uses the standard analogy about God as the judge. Someone should ask him under that wretched analogy what judge would give life in prison for minor crimes, and given that how the entire Jesus thing makes any sense at all. <BR/><BR/>Also, note that Ray's claim that the law is divided into moral law, ceremonial law and civil law is simply not in the Biblical text at all.<BR/><BR/>Overall, you seemed to do a very good job. Ray made almost zero effort to actually respond to what you said and you came across as well spoken and confident.Joshuahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00637936588223855248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-49855770995753551002009-04-09T17:56:00.000-07:002009-04-09T17:56:00.000-07:00Lovely stuff, the editing of the Q&A was a bit...Lovely stuff, the editing of the Q&A was a bit tricky but otherwise it was great. I told Bathtub that if you wanted I could redo it with more pictures or something like that (yes I do have much too much time on my hands).Tripehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04142662701156899228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-21631839568154096862009-04-09T14:15:00.000-07:002009-04-09T14:15:00.000-07:00I think you did a fantasic job! This was your firs...I think you did a fantasic job! This was your first debate? Amazing!<BR/><BR/>Kudos, thanks for posting the audio.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06400010803706960929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-10349182921974290152009-04-09T09:12:00.000-07:002009-04-09T09:12:00.000-07:00Sam, in case you're not aware, Pharyngula has cros...Sam, in case you're not aware, Pharyngula has cross-linked to this blog entry:<BR/><BR/>http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/04/ray_comfort_repeats_the_same_d.php#commentsWhatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-89004003943118726072009-04-09T09:08:00.000-07:002009-04-09T09:08:00.000-07:00I just noticed the questions are still quite hard ...I just noticed the questions are still quite hard to hear though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-45488199113952858312009-04-09T09:06:00.000-07:002009-04-09T09:06:00.000-07:00I've edited the audio files to remove some of the ...I've edited the audio files to remove some of the noise and make the speech louder. The files are still uploading but later you can download them at:<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.libresansdieu.org/debatewithraycomfortpart1_edit.mp3<BR/><BR/><BR/>http://www.libresansdieu.org/debatewithraycomfortpart2_edit.mp3Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-60568926232131022172009-04-09T08:41:00.000-07:002009-04-09T08:41:00.000-07:00Weird, I thought I commented on this yesterday: I ...Weird, I thought I commented on this yesterday: I thought you did a pretty good job of answering questions & challenges, and being honest when you couldn't remember details, etc. Ray, on the other hand, spent his time talking AT people, not TO them - and that's why he was so unable to do what you did.<BR/><BR/>I also thought you made some great points, a few of which I hadn't heard before (and I've been arguing/reading this stuff for years). Nicely done.Whatevermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14458601080799278850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-44577255564418450252009-04-09T04:50:00.000-07:002009-04-09T04:50:00.000-07:00Thanks Bathtub. I tried to save them while they we...Thanks Bathtub. I tried to save them while they were playing...that does not work. :) Tried again from the icon and it worked....sigh...I need a Mac.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872743043164227872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-83280499499111749692009-04-09T04:02:00.000-07:002009-04-09T04:02:00.000-07:00Good show, Sam. I really enjoyed that, although I...Good show, Sam. I really enjoyed that, although I was a bit disappointed that the moderator let the questioners walk over the debaters (if you can call it that: Ray mostly ignored you and just preached) at the end.<BR/><BR/>I think there's a couple of points you could have used: I think it's reasonable to say we're unsure of the origins of the universe. It's an ongoing field of study. But even if we concede that there *could* have been a Creator, what makes it Yahweh and not Odin, or Vishnu, or any of the many other creator gods.<BR/><BR/>This, I think, would tie into his belief that Christianity is right because it's (mostly, as demonstrated) works-free. In essence, he's saying "I like this image of god, therefore it must be true." What if the possible not-Yahweh-creator-god actually *likes* being bribed?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, rambled enough now. Thanks for making this public.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-69425754173012137812009-04-09T02:39:00.000-07:002009-04-09T02:39:00.000-07:00I agree - your girlfriend is lovely...:-PI agree - your girlfriend is lovely...<BR/><BR/>:-PvIQleShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17341511434545425970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-81767660009366932672009-04-08T20:08:00.000-07:002009-04-08T20:08:00.000-07:00Chris, they are mp3s, just Right-click and Save As...Chris, they are mp3s, just Right-click and Save As.BathTubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14198295395639562763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-28413796027712002922009-04-08T20:00:00.001-07:002009-04-08T20:00:00.001-07:00Sam,Your patience is boundless. In the first 10 mi...Sam,<BR/><BR/>Your patience is boundless. In the first 10 minutes of Ray's "debate", my face turns bright red from all facepalm that he inspire in me.<BR/><BR/>GGordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12221958758282902436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-37961610440136680912009-04-08T20:00:00.000-07:002009-04-08T20:00:00.000-07:00Can these be posted as MP3's for iPod downloading?...Can these be posted as MP3's for iPod downloading?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12872743043164227872noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-54742531434671085522009-04-08T18:47:00.000-07:002009-04-08T18:47:00.000-07:00You only got ONE HUNDRED dollars to debate him?The...You only got ONE HUNDRED dollars to debate him?<BR/><BR/>They should be paying you far more to waste so much of your time.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02907462646559254985noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-9971773713371994452009-04-08T18:31:00.000-07:002009-04-08T18:31:00.000-07:00Excellent job with the debate. Naturally I wouldn'...Excellent job with the debate. Naturally I wouldn't worry too much about the petulant criticisms of a man who uses bananas as evidence of design... Ray is one of the less frightening types of creationists, the sort that doesn't accept evolution merely because he lacks the very minimal imagination required to grasp it.<BR/><BR/>A nice warm up for perhaps tackling one of the scary-ass doublethinking creationists who both understands evolution and yet convinces himself it's a lie. I just can't think of any of those off the top of my head...The Biologistahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02158027800666335351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-34166787281042659012009-04-08T18:20:00.000-07:002009-04-08T18:20:00.000-07:00Congrats on your first debate! You did really well...Congrats on your first debate! You did really well considering its your first debate - although pwning Ray isnt really that great a feat :p anyways this is a good stepping stone for future debates!sashahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11302622066738783460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-27299931557120927482009-04-08T16:32:00.000-07:002009-04-08T16:32:00.000-07:00I note that Ray didn't at all respond to the probl...I note that Ray didn't at all respond to the problem of the fall. WTF man...that's major.Inghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15677092968714424939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5934925418523766059.post-47236746831563975542009-04-08T15:56:00.000-07:002009-04-08T15:56:00.000-07:00This debate just confirms what we all knew already...This debate just confirms what we all knew already. Ray just isn't worth the attention. I've actually felt that Ray was a nice guy under all that stupidity, but I'm starting to doubt it. I think he might actually be a bit of a dick.<BR/><BR/>It baffles me that he's able to believe what he does (for the reasons he does) in the face of constant intelligent, rational opposition. But that he can convince others with his arguments, frightens me.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I think you did an excellent job of debating him. You won, absolutely, no doubt about it. And I'm sure, very few, creationist or not, would disagree.oscrosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07939314819895463314noreply@blogger.com